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Ignition timing 63 F100

 
Wolfracing Wolfracing
New User | Posts: 7 | Joined: 09/13
Posted: 09/25/13
06:40 PM

I'm set to check the timing, and I find the pointer, but for the life of me there seems to be absolutely no marks on the balancer.  Not even a scratch!  What am I missing or doing wrong here?  It is idling low, and I want to check timing before doing any more to the carb.
Please help?  

waynep712222 waynep712222
User | Posts: 209 | Joined: 03/13
Posted: 09/25/13
10:53 PM

perhaps this image and the attached article will help...

http://www.customclassictrucks.com/techarticles/0802cct_msd_distributor_y_blocks_forever/photo_07.html

you did not say if its the straight six.. or the Y block V8... or even something else..

and i seem to recall that the timing is checked at somewhere like 2200 RPMs..  

waynep712222 waynep712222
User | Posts: 209 | Joined: 03/13
Posted: 09/25/13
10:53 PM

so.. six or 8...

and where is #1 on that motor.. passenger side??

all my books are put away...

six or 8.. and which 8.. Y block,  FE, MEL, windsor??


wolf racing..hmm..

used to be a walter wolf racing .. my friend richard was the crew chief on the wolf dallara can am car..  

Wolfracing Wolfracing
New User | Posts: 7 | Joined: 09/13
Posted: 09/26/13
03:08 AM

Straight six.  Sorry for lack of info there.
Drag racing in Illinois.  I bracket race a chevy rail and my son now is in a jr dragster.  The timing on this truck I figured would be a couple minute project, and already I'm stumped.  I see the pointer, but nothing on the balancer.  

waynep712222 waynep712222
User | Posts: 209 | Joined: 03/13
Posted: 09/26/13
06:23 AM

TUNEUP SPECIFICATIONS for a 60 223

Ground polarity and voltage: negative-12

Spark plug: Champion 870

Spark plug gap:  .034

Distributor: Point Gap Inch: .025.

Cam angle degrees: 35-38

Firing order: 153624

Ignition timing:
damper has five timing marks covering range from TDC to 9° BT DC in 2° increments set timing at 4° with standard transmission and 6° automatic transmission

Timing Mark location: damper

Idle speed RPM in neutral: 475

Compression pressure@cranking speed minimum: 150


DISTRIBUTOR SPECIFICATION

Part number: FET-12127D, COAF-12127F

Rotation: clockwise

Cam angle degrees: 35-38

Breaker point opening, inch: .025

Condenser Capacity, Mfds.: .21-.25

Breaker arm spring tension, ounces: 17-20

Vacuum advance data:
Inches of vacuum to start plunger movement: FET-12127D: .38; COAF-12127F:.42
Inches of vacuum for full plunger travel: FET-12127D: 5.99; COAF-12127F: 6.5
Maximum vacuum advance, distributor degrees: 13


if there are no marks..  i have run the engine and touched the surface with a wire brush as the damper spins to clean it.. i even hit it with some sand paper folded as it goes round to clean the surface..

the marks maybe very faint.. i have seen some on later motors.. where they just barely marked the damper..

you can find TDC the hard way.. by removing the #1 spark plug.. using something  down thru the spark plug hole and rocking the crank back and forth to find exact TDC..

if you could rig something like a spark plug anti fouler.. with a nut and bolt sticking thru it.. after figuring out how long it needs to stick out and not bend the valves.. you could turn the engine by hand with the other spark plugs out.. and come up on one stop. just before the top.. then turn the crank the reverse direction to come up on the stop.. marking both stops on the damper..

measure and divide in half.. you now have TDC..  

if you look at the bottom of the linked page above.. there are several marks on the damper as described..  

waynep712222 waynep712222
User | Posts: 209 | Joined: 03/13
Posted: 09/26/13
06:53 AM

perhaps this will help locate the marks...

223 Ford Timing Marks Zpsabc99363  

Wolfracing Wolfracing
New User | Posts: 7 | Joined: 09/13
Posted: 09/26/13
07:51 AM

The picture is what I expected to see.  I will try cleaning  up the ring and see if anything shows up.  Otherwise I need to dig out the spark plug stop and do it the hard way.  Thank you!  

Wolfracing Wolfracing
New User | Posts: 7 | Joined: 09/13
Posted: 09/27/13
04:08 AM

Used a wire brush and found them.  Oh my are they faint!  Painted them so I could see with a light.  Thank yo ufor the help!